2018 RIMS

Crucial Cyber Peril Defense and Coverage Considerations

One of the thorniest issues in cyber coverage may be choosing which broker should lead coverage placement.
By: | April 18, 2018 • 3 min read
Topics: Cyber Risks | RIMS

The rate at which the cyber peril expanded and the complexity of the coverage questions it raises present challenges that almost every risk manager and their carrier and broker partners are going as fast as they can to address.


At a Monday afternoon session at the RIMS annual conference in San Antonio,  Jean Nkamdon, the risk management and compliance manager for the Washington Post, and Shiraz Saeed, the national practice leader-cyber risk for the Starr Companies, attempted to give attendees a blueprint for building a risk management bulwark to address a threat that even the most sophisticated minds in risk management and insurance find perplexing.

To begin, both Nkamdon and Saaed took pains to tell the audience the views they were expressing were their own and they were not speaking on behalf of their companies.

Launching into their discussion, they went over some of the basics of cyber risk management; quantifying the exposure, understanding the threat landscape and the importance of having a detailed knowledge of coverages, and not just your cyber coverages. It’s on that latter point, in which the cyber coverage issue gets so complicated, heads might start to spin.

Depending on the event, whether it be a theft of data, a hack that results in machinery malfunction, reputational damage or even bodily injury, risk managers who want to forestall damage for any of the above might want to first ask themselves who should place the coverage or take the lead in placing it.

“The biggest challenge is what broker are you going to use?” Saeed said. Should it be a cyber specialist, a property broker or a casualty broker? It’s not a question that’s easily answered, which is why one of Saeed and Nkamdon’s first recommendations, quantifying the exposure, is so important.

In quantifying the exposure and creating policies and practices to defend against an event, Nkamdon, who works for a prominent media company with its own share of online liability exposure, said expectations that a firewall of some other defense must not fail are not realistic.

“There is no foolproof system. You want to show the underwriter that you have been a prudent person,” Nkamdon said.


In Nkamdon’s case, Saeed pointed out, damage to the parts of the Washington Post infrastructure that enable reporters to file their stories and editors to edit and publish them, like an attack that brings that system down for two or three days, would be far more devastating than a data breach. Which is why, for so many companies, creating systems for quicker recovery from an attack are just as much of a priority than coverage.

“If you are not resilient, it does not matter how much insurance you have,” Nkamdon said.

Which brings us to one trending point about the cyber insurance market, which although it is growing, is still in its adolescence. A market that began life as a product intended to cover notification, legal and credit monitoring costs is now being driven more by business interruption coverage, Saeed said. &

Dan Reynolds is editor-in-chief of Risk & Insurance. He can be reached at [email protected]

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The risk manager for Boyd Gaming Corp. says curiosity keeps him engaged, and continual education will be the key to managing emerging risks.
By: | May 1, 2018 • 4 min read

R&I: What was your first job?

I was trained as an accountant, worked in public accounting and became a CPA. Being comfortable with numbers is helpful in my current role, and obviously, the language of business is financial statements, so it helps.

R&I: How did you come to work in risk management?

Working in finance in the corporate environment included the review of budgets and the analysis of business expenses. I quickly found the area of benefits and insurance — and how “accepting risk” impacted those expenses — to be fascinating. I asked a lot of questions. Be careful what you ask for — I soon found myself responsible for those insurance areas and haven’t looked back!

R&I: What is the risk management community doing right?


I have found the risk management community to be a close-knit group, whether that’s industry professionals, risk managers with other companies or support organizations like RIMS and other regional groups. The expertise of the carriers and specialty vendors to develop new products and programs, along with the appropriate education, will continue to be of key importance to companies going forward.

R&I: What’s been the biggest change in the risk management and insurance industry since you’ve been in it?

As I’m sure many in the insurance field would agree, Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005 changed our world and our industry. It was a particularly intense time and certainly a baptism by fire for people like me who were relatively new to the industry. This event clearly accelerated the switch to the acceptance of more risk, which impacted mitigation strategies and programs.

Bob Berglund, vice president, benefits and insurance, Boyd Gaming Corp.

R&I: What emerging commercial risk most concerns you?

The fast-paced threat that cyber security represents today. Our company, like so many companies, is reliant upon computers, software and IT expertise in our everyday existence. This new risk has forged an even stronger relationship between risk management and our IT department as we work together to address this growing threat.

Additionally, the shooting event in Las Vegas in 2017 will have an enduring impact on firms that host large gatherings and arena-style events all over the world, and our company is no exception.

R&I: What insurance carrier do you have the highest opinion of?


With the various types of insurance programs we employ, I have been fortunate to work with most of the large national and international carriers — all of whom employ talented people with a vast array of resources.

R&I:  How much business do you do direct versus going through a broker?

We use brokers for many of our professional coverages, such as property, casualty, D&O and cyber. We are self-insured under our health plans, with close to 25,000 members. We tend to manage those programs internally and utilize direct relationships with carriers and specialty vendors to tailor a plan that works best for team members.

R&I: Who is your mentor and why?

I have been fortunate to have worked alongside some smart and insightful people during my career. A key piece of advice, said in many different ways, has served me well. Simply stated: “Seek to understand before being understood.”

What this has meant to me is try everything you can to learn about something, new or old. After you have gained this knowledge, you can begin to access and maybe suggest changes or adjustments. Being curious has always been a personal enjoyment for me in business, and I have found people are more than willing to lend a hand, offer information and advice — you just need to ask. Building those alliances and foundations of knowledge on a subject matter makes tackling the future more exciting and fruitful.

R&I: What have you accomplished that you are proudest of?

Our benefit health plan is much more than handing out an insurance card at the beginning of the year. We encourage our team members and their families to learn about their personal health, get engaged in a variety of health and wellness programs and try to live life in the healthiest possible way. The result of that is literally hundreds of testimonials from our members every year on how they have lost weight, changed their lifestyle and gotten off medications. It is extremely rewarding and is a testament to [our] close-knit corporate culture.

R&I: What’s the best restaurant you’ve ever eaten at?


Some will remember the volcano eruption in Iceland in spring of 2010. I was just finishing a week of meetings in London with Lloyd’s syndicates related to our property insurance placement when the airspace in England and most of northern Europe was shut down — no airplanes in or out! Flights were ultimately canceled for the following five days. Therefore, with a few other stranded visitors like myself, we experimented and tried out new restaurants every day until we could leave. It was a very interesting time!

R&I: What is the riskiest activity you ever engaged in?

I am originally from Canada, and I played ice hockey from the time I was four years old up until quite recently. Too many surgeries sadly forced my recent retirement.

R&I: What do your friends and family think you do?

That’s a funny one … I am a CPA working in the casino industry, doing insurance and risk management, so neighbors and acquaintances think I either do tax returns or they think I’m a blackjack dealer at the casino!

Katie Dwyer is an associate editor at Risk & Insurance®. She can be reached at [email protected]