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Staying Ahead of Employment Practices Liability Risk

As regulatory and legislative changes continue to unfold, Nationwide's loss control services build longevity and help insureds weather new risk exposures.
By: | August 2, 2017 • 6 min read

No human resource manager wants to hear that an employee feels discriminated against or harassed. It means that workers don’t feel safe or comfortable at their job, which hurts morale and productivity. And it also means that, if not promptly addressed, a lawsuit may be on the horizon.

In the world of employment practices liability, it’s a well-known risk.

“Gender, age, race, or national origin discrimination and harassment complaints account for about 96 percent of the EPLI claims coming across a claims person’s desk,” said Joe Werner, director, Management Liability and Specialty.

Most companies know that having an employee handbook that outlines expectations and consequences for workplace behavior, as well as clear policies and procedures for handling a complaint, are the best ways to mitigate the risk of a lawsuit.

But legislative and regulatory changes could make EPLI risk more dynamic and complex.

Emerging Employment Practices Risks

Joe Werner, Director

State and local laws can vary from federal regulation – and often have higher compliance standards.

“The new medical marijuana laws are a good example of state-specific legislative changes,” Werner said. “There are currently 29 states that allow marijuana for medicinal purposes. This could potentially open the door for new discrimination claims.1

Employers in a state with legalized medical marijuana cannot discriminate against an employee with a legitimate marijuana prescription. But they also have to be wary if a worker is using marijuana on the job. The law does not yet address whether employers can or should make accommodations for employees using medicinal marijuana.

“It’s a gray area. But as more states allow marijuana for medical use, I think we’ll start to see discrimination claims coming in around this issue,” Werner said.

Disparities also exist between federal and local minimum wage laws. While the federal minimum wage is currently set at $7.25 per hour, some states and cities have set a minimum wage that exceed the federal requirements. Unaware employers are thus more exposed to wage and hour claims, which can be costly to settle or litigate.

Even if companies have all their ducks in a row regarding policies and practices to prevent the known risks of harassment and discrimination, they need to remain vigilant and monitor these regulatory changes to stay ahead of emerging issues.

Practicing Proactive Loss Control

No matter what changes come down the pike, companies have a few ways to protect themselves.

Education and training are key. Human resource managers should stay up to date on the legislative changes happening in their city and state, and determine if those changes will impact their risk exposure. Training employees thoroughly and regularly on employment law and on workplace policies regarding harassment, discrimination, and ethical behavior in general can help to prevent problems.

Managers and the HR team should also know when and how to investigate if an employee reports feeling discriminated against or harassed in any way at work.

But even those measures will occasionally fail. When that happens, companies need to know who to turn to for legal advice. Because of the variances between state and federal laws, relationships with attorneys who specialize in employment law in their specific state are critical.

Through a partnership with Littler Mendelson, Nationwide policyholders may obtain legal advice if they encounter a situation they don’t feel equipped to handle. Their legal hotline is available to insureds at no additional cost.

“Other carriers may offer a hotline to provide general guidance, but we feel it’s important to leverage Littler Mendelson’s national presence to provide actual, state-specific legal advice,” Werner said. That advice can help prevent an incident from spiraling into a claim — a benefit for both insurer and insured.

The hotline is just one of the loss control services that come standard with Nationwide’s private company package policy — Freedom 360° — which includes coverage for EPLI, directors and officers, fiduciary liability, and commercial crime.

Educational Services at Insureds’ Fingertips

Clients also have access to Freedom 360° HR, an online portal delivering daily news updates and human resource developments, as well as educational materials around all aspects of employment practices.

“These updates touch on all employment issues — not just what our policy covers — across any state or jurisdiction,” Werner said. “There is also a library for HR policies and documentation so you can download a new hire checklist, for example, or use them as a guide to build or update an employee handbook.”

A series of short videos dubbed Littler Learning Points feature two attorneys having a Q&A-style conversation about topics ranging from EEOC filing requirements to the definition of reasonable accommodation and wage and hour compliance.

Additionally, Nationwide offers employee online training modules provided by HR Classroom. The modules are designed to satisfy an employer’s legal training requirements and provide educational programs covering workplace topics, such as ethical workplace behavior, proper anti-discrimination and anti-harassment prevention and policy, workplace diversity and wage and hour issues.

Using loss control services, especially when they are provided free of charge, should be a no-brainer. But they are often underutilized.

“That’s a trend we are trying to change,” Werner said.

Often, clients simply aren’t aware that such services are available. Nationwide remedies that by having its loss control providers send an introductory email to new insureds detailing their services.

Financial incentives don’t hurt either.

“Where we can, we will reduce the deductible or retention if an insured has made efforts to improve their risk,” Werner said.

“Every claim that comes in will be expensive. No one wants to shoulder those costs, or go through the process of a lawsuit. If companies use these loss control services, it’s a win/win. We want to reward our insureds for improving their risk.”

Building Dependability and Longevity

Recognizing and investing in efforts to reduce risk also goes a long way in building a long-term relationship within a market which can see some carrier turnover.

“We are able to achieve stability and dependability in the market through smart underwriting,” Werner said. “That means offering terms and conditions that are appropriate for a risk.”

“We’ve come across competition offering more favorable terms and conditions that we may not be willing to offer for a given risk,” Werner said. “That’s just not practical if the goal is to be profitable so that we can remain in this market for the long haul. Sacrificing sound underwriting for the sake of attracting clients makes an insurer more likely to exit the market because they aren’t profitable.”

The goal, Werner said, is for brokers and their clients to see Nationwide as a consistent presence in the market. Loss control services and incentives help to earn clients’ trust, build credibility, and maintain that presence.

And as regulatory and legislative changes continue to unfold, those services help insureds weather whatever new risk exposures might come their way.

Contact Joe Werner, director, at 212-329-6961 or [email protected] for more information

To learn about Nationwide’s EPL loss control services, visit www.freedom360hr.com and http://nationwide.hrcare.com.

1Source: National Conference of State Legislatures

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Exclusive | Hank Greenberg on China Trade, Starr’s Rapid Growth and 100th, Spitzer, Schneiderman and More

In a robust and frank conversation, the insurance legend provides unique insights into global trade, his past battles and what the future holds for the industry and his company.
By: | October 12, 2018 • 12 min read

In 1960, Maurice “Hank” Greenberg was hired as a vice president of C.V. Starr & Co. At age 35, he had already accomplished a great deal.

He served his country as part of the Allied Forces that stormed the beaches at Normandy and liberated the Nazi death camps. He fought again during the Korean War, earning a Bronze Star. He held a law degree from New York Law School.

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Now he was ready to make his mark on the business world.

Even C.V. Starr himself — who hired Mr. Greenberg and later hand-picked him as the successor to the company he founded in Shanghai in 1919 — could not have imagined what a mark it would be.

Mr. Greenberg began to build AIG as a Starr subsidiary, then in 1969, he took it public. The company would, at its peak, achieve a market cap of some $180 billion and cement its place as the largest insurance and financial services company in history.

This month, Mr. Greenberg travels to China to celebrate the 100th anniversary of C.V. Starr & Co. That visit occurs at a prickly time in U.S.-Sino relations, as the Trump administration levies tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars in Chinese goods and China retaliates.

In September, Risk & Insurance® sat down with Mr. Greenberg in his Park Avenue office to hear his thoughts on the centennial of C.V. Starr, the dynamics of U.S. trade relationships with China and the future of the U.S. insurance industry as it faces the challenges of technology development and talent recruitment and retention, among many others. What follows is an edited transcript of that discussion.


R&I: One hundred years is quite an impressive milestone for any company. Celebrating the anniversary in China signifies the importance and longevity of that relationship. Can you tell us more about C.V. Starr’s history with China?

Hank Greenberg: We have a long history in China. I first went there in 1975. There was little there, but I had business throughout Asia, and I stopped there all the time. I’d stop there a couple of times a year and build relationships.

When I first started visiting China, there was only one state-owned insurance company there, PICC (the People’s Insurance Company of China); it was tiny at the time. We helped them to grow.

I also received the first foreign life insurance license in China, for AIA (The American International Assurance Co.). To date, there has been no other foreign life insurance company in China. It took me 20 years of hard work to get that license.

We also introduced an agency system in China. They had none. Their life company employees would get a salary whether they sold something or not. With the agency system of course you get paid a commission if you sell something. Once that agency system was installed, it went on to create more than a million jobs.

R&I: So Starr’s success has meant success for the Chinese insurance industry as well.

Hank Greenberg: That’s partly why we’re going to be celebrating that anniversary there next month. That celebration will occur alongside that of IBLAC (International Business Leaders’ Advisory Council), an international business advisory group that was put together when Zhu Rongji was the mayor of Shanghai [Zhu is since retired from public life]. He asked me to start that to attract foreign companies to invest in Shanghai.

“It turns out that it is harder [for China] to change, because they have one leader. My guess is that we’ll work it out sooner or later. Trump and Xi have to meet. That will result in some agreement that will get to them and they will have to finish the rest of the negotiations. I believe that will happen.” — Maurice “Hank” Greenberg, chairman and CEO, C.V. Starr & Co. Inc.

Shanghai and China in general were just coming out of the doldrums then; there was a lack of foreign investment. Zhu asked me to chair IBLAC and to help get it started, which I did. I served as chairman of that group for a couple of terms. I am still a part of that board, and it will be celebrating its 30th anniversary along with our 100th anniversary.

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We have a good relationship with China, and we’re candid as you can tell from the op-ed I published in the Wall Street Journal. I’m told that my op-ed was received quite well in China, by both Chinese companies and foreign companies doing business there.

On August 29, Mr. Greenberg published an opinion piece in the WSJ reminding Chinese leaders of the productive history of U.S.-Sino relations and suggesting that Chinese leaders take pragmatic steps to ease trade tensions with the U.S.

R&I: What’s your outlook on current trade relations between the U.S. and China?

Hank Greenberg: As to the current environment, when you are in negotiations, every leader negotiates differently.

President Trump is negotiating based on his well-known approach. What’s different now is that President Xi (Jinping, General Secretary of the Communist Party of China) made himself the emperor. All the past presidents in China before the revolution had two terms. He’s there for life, which makes things much more difficult.

R&I: Sure does. You’ve got a one- or two-term president talking to somebody who can wait it out. It’s definitely unique.

Hank Greenberg: So, clearly a lot of change is going on in China. Some of it is good. But as I said in the op-ed, China needs to be treated like the second largest economy in the world, which it is. And it will be the number one economy in the world in not too many years. That means that you can’t use the same terms of trade that you did 25 or 30 years ago.

They want to have access to our market and other markets. Fine, but you have to have reciprocity, and they have not been very good at that.

R&I: What stands in the way of that happening?

Hank Greenberg: I think there are several substantial challenges. One, their structure makes it very difficult. They have a senior official, a regulator, who runs a division within the government for insurance. He keeps that job as long as he does what leadership wants him to do. He may not be sure what they want him to do.

For example, the president made a speech many months ago saying they are going to open up banking, insurance and a couple of additional sectors to foreign investment; nothing happened.

The reason was that the head of that division got changed. A new administrator came in who was not sure what the president wanted so he did nothing. Time went on and the international community said, “Wait a minute, you promised that you were going to do that and you didn’t do that.”

So the structure is such that it is very difficult. China can’t react as fast as it should. That will change, but it is going to take time.

R&I: That’s interesting, because during the financial crisis in 2008 there was talk that China, given their more centralized authority, could react more quickly, not less quickly.

Hank Greenberg: It turns out that it is harder to change, because they have one leader. My guess is that we’ll work it out sooner or later. Trump and Xi have to meet. That will result in some agreement that will get to them and they will have to finish the rest of the negotiations. I believe that will happen.

R&I: Obviously, you have a very unique perspective and experience in China. For American companies coming to China, what are some of the current challenges?

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Hank Greenberg: Well, they very much want to do business in China. That’s due to the sheer size of the country, at 1.4 billion people. It’s a very big market and not just for insurance companies. It’s a whole range of companies that would like to have access to China as easily as Chinese companies have access to the United States. As I said previously, that has to be resolved.

It’s not going to be easy, because China has a history of not being treated well by other countries. The U.S. has been pretty good in that way. We haven’t taken advantage of China.

R&I: Your op-ed was very enlightening on that topic.

Hank Greenberg: President Xi wants to rebuild the “middle kingdom,” to what China was, a great country. Part of that was his takeover of the South China Sea rock islands during the Obama Administration; we did nothing. It’s a little late now to try and do something. They promised they would never militarize those islands. Then they did. That’s a real problem in Southern Asia. The other countries in that region are not happy about that.

R&I: One thing that has differentiated your company is that it is not a public company, and it is not a mutual company. We think you’re the only large insurance company with that structure at that scale. What advantages does that give you?

Hank Greenberg: Two things. First of all, we’re more than an insurance company. We have the traditional investment unit with the insurance company. Then we have a separate investment unit that we started, which is very successful. So we have a source of income that is diverse. We don’t have to underwrite business that is going to lose a lot of money. Not knowingly anyway.

R&I: And that’s because you are a private company?

Hank Greenberg: Yes. We attract a different type of person in a private company.

R&I: Do you think that enables you to react more quickly?

Hank Greenberg: Absolutely. When we left AIG there were three of us. Myself, Howie Smith and Ed Matthews. Howie used to run the internal financials and Ed Matthews was the investment guy coming out of Morgan Stanley when I was putting AIG together. We started with three people and now we have 3,500 and growing.

“I think technology can play a role in reducing operating expenses. In the last 70 years, you have seen the expense ratio of the industry rise, and I’m not sure the industry can afford a 35 percent expense ratio. But while technology can help, some additional fundamental changes will also be required.” — Maurice “Hank” Greenberg, chairman and CEO, C.V. Starr & Co. Inc.

R&I:  You being forced to leave AIG in 2005 really was an injustice, by the way. AIG wouldn’t have been in the position it was in 2008 if you had still been there.

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Hank Greenberg: Absolutely not. We had all the right things in place. We met with the financial services division once a day every day to make sure they stuck to what they were supposed to do. Even Hank Paulson, the Secretary of Treasury, sat on the stand during my trial and said that if I’d been at the company, it would not have imploded the way it did.

R&I: And that fateful decision the AIG board made really affected the course of the country.

Hank Greenberg: So many people lost all of their net worth. The new management was taking on billions of dollars’ worth of risk with no collateral. They had decimated the internal risk management controls. And the government takeover of the company when the financial crisis blew up was grossly unfair.

From the time it went public, AIG’s value had increased from $300 million to $180 billion. Thanks to Eliot Spitzer, it’s now worth a fraction of that. His was a gross misuse of the Martin Act. It gives the Attorney General the power to investigate without probable cause and bring fraud charges without having to prove intent. Only in New York does the law grant the AG that much power.

R&I: It’s especially frustrating when you consider the quality of his own character, and the scandal he was involved in.

In early 2008, Spitzer was caught on a federal wiretap arranging a meeting with a prostitute at a Washington Hotel and resigned shortly thereafter.

Hank Greenberg: Yes. And it’s been successive. Look at Eric Schneiderman. He resigned earlier this year when it came out that he had abused several women. And this was after he came out so strongly against other men accused of the same thing. To me it demonstrates hypocrisy and abuse of power.

Schneiderman followed in Spitzer’s footsteps in leveraging the Martin Act against numerous corporations to generate multi-billion dollar settlements.

R&I: Starr, however, continues to thrive. You said you’re at 3,500 people and still growing. As you continue to expand, how do you deal with the challenge of attracting talent?

Hank Greenberg: We did something last week.

On September 16th, St. John’s University announced the largest gift in its 148-year history. The Starr Foundation donated $15 million to the school, establishing the Maurice R. Greenberg Leadership Initiative at St. John’s School of Risk Management, Insurance and Actuarial Science.

Hank Greenberg: We have recruited from St. John’s for many, many years. These are young people who want to be in the insurance industry. They don’t get into it by accident. They study to become proficient in this and we have recruited some very qualified individuals from that school. But we also recruit from many other universities. On the investment side, outside of the insurance industry, we also recruit from Wall Street.

R&I: We’re very interested in how you and other leaders in this industry view technology and how they’re going to use it.

Hank Greenberg: I think technology can play a role in reducing operating expenses. In the last 70 years, you have seen the expense ratio of the industry rise, and I’m not sure the industry can afford a 35 percent expense ratio. But while technology can help, some additional fundamental changes will also be required.

R&I: So as the pre-eminent leader of the insurance industry, what do you see in terms of where insurance is now an where it’s going?

Hank Greenberg: The country and the world will always need insurance. That doesn’t mean that what we have today is what we’re going to have 25 years from now.

How quickly the change comes and how far it will go will depend on individual companies and individual countries. Some will be more brave than others. But change will take place, there is no doubt about it.

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More will go on in space, there is no question about that. We’re involved in it right now as an insurance company, and it will get broader.

One of the things you have to worry about is it’s now a nuclear world. It’s a more dangerous world. And again, we have to find some way to deal with that.

So, change is inevitable. You need people who can deal with change.

R&I:  Is there anything else, Mr. Greenberg, you want to comment on?

Hank Greenberg: I think I’ve covered it. &

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