Cyber Risk

Keep the Dialogue Open

As cyber threats become more sophisticated, risk managers must understand and assess evolving exposures.
By: | August 3, 2016 • 7 min read

A shut-down, or even a partial disruption, is the stuff of nightmares for risk managers and C-suites. Business interruption (BI) and contingent business interruption (CBI) policies can help organizations weather those kind of crises, but the coverage is complex, and has only become more so since cyber exposures came to the fore.


In order to help minimize BI and CBI losses, risk managers must establish and maintain an open dialogue with C-suite executives on a continuous basis.

Open communication will give companies the agility to respond quickly if a business is shut down or production is halted by a cyber attack, determine the best way to assess income loss, and also to protect the company’s reputation.

Prior to a loss, that open dialogue will also help everyone reach a consensus about coverage needs and whether sufficient limits are in place.

Traditional property and BI policies will typically insure against a physical loss or damage to property, however many exclude cyber attacks, even if the cyber attack causes property damage.

As cyber threats become more sophisticated, risk managers and their companies need to better understand and assess these evolving exposures, and to devise an appropriate mitigation strategy and emergency response plan.

Understanding and Measuring the Claim

Al Gier, director of global risk management and insurance at General Motors, said that BI and CBI are often the most complex form of property losses when trying to quantify the actual loss.

“They require a significant marshaling of the risk management, supply chain, finance, marketing, purchasing and distribution functions, in order to support the claim,” he said. “Added to that is the work that people are already doing behind the scenes to bring their company back on line.”

He added that one way of assessing loss is by using pre-loss production schedules, sales and growth projections, and budgets.

Rick Roberts, president and director of risk management and employee benefits, Ensign-Bickford Industries

Rick Roberts, president and director of risk management and employee benefits, Ensign-Bickford Industries

Rick Roberts, president and director of risk management and employee benefits for Ensign-Bickford Industries and immediate past president of RIMS, said there is often a sizeable difference between a company’s loss estimate and the actual loss.

“There are two approaches to BI claims — the first is a top-down approach and the second is bottom-up,” he said.

“I prefer the bottom-up approach that measures lost income plus any continuing expenses as it’s easier to understand.”

Dan Holden, manager of corporate risk and insurance for Daimler Trucks North America, said that risk managers need to explain to the C-suite how BI or CBI coverage would be triggered, what it would cover and for how long.

That allows management to focus on potential events in order to mitigate against any revenue interruption, he said.

Robert Reeves, partner at EY’s Fraud Investigation and Dispute Services (FIDS) practice, said that should a loss occur, risk managers need to help senior management understand the claim, as well as the claims process and the potential range of the claim.

“[BI and CBI] require a significant marshaling of the risk management, supply chain, finance, marketing, purchasing and distribution functions, in order to support the claim.” — Al Gier, director of global risk management and insurance, General Motors

He added that when assessing a loss, it’s also important to take into account both sales and production.

“Sales is really focused on demand and production is focused on capacity,” he said. “So no matter what industry you are in, you have to look at both factors.”

Selecting the Right Policy


Dave Finnis, executive vice president and national property practice leader at Willis Towers Watson, said that most property insurance policies won’t provide coverage as standard in the event of a cyber attack unless there was evidence of physical damage.

“I am seeing a lot more instances where these kinds of occurrences are becoming a reality,” he said. “In the last year, a German power plant had a cyber attack and suffered physical damage when the hackers accessed one of their furnaces, but fortunately they were covered under their property policy.”

Reeves said that it is important to read the policy’s wording first as most cyber insurance will provide coverage for a BI claim, but won’t necessarily cover a CBI claim.

Josh Gold, a cyber insurance attorney at Anderson Kill’s New York office, said that BI or CBI coverage should provide for loss of business income at a minimum, covering both lost profits and continuing expenses.

He added that it was important to build in coverage for extra expenses, such as the cost of using other facilities while your operations are down, bringing consultants in, or moving your system to a new cloud platform.

Doug Backes, FM Global’s claims manager, said that it is also important to match the coverage to the loss.

“From our perspective, we have always approached data as property and it needs to be covered as such,” he said. “Whether data is damaged in a fire or as a result of a cyber attack, there needs to be cover for that.”

Impact on Reputation

Reeves said that an often-overlooked impact of a BI or CBI claim is on a company’s reputation with its customers, employees and shareholders.

“Once the physical loss has gone away, then you have got to make sure that you manage your reputation,” he said. “So you need to let your customers know what is happening, how long you are going to be down and what your mitigation strategy is.”

Al Gier, director of global risk management and insurance, General Motors

Al Gier, director of global risk management and insurance, General Motors

Citing the example of Target’s major data breach, which has cost the company $300 million to date, Gold said that the impact of a cyber attack often runs much deeper than the initial loss, and it can damage reputation in terms of customer privacy and payment details.

“From a loss mitigation 101 standpoint, you wouldn’t want to exacerbate the problem by being less than candid about what is going on,” he said.

“Of course, a lot of risk mitigation can be done before a breach occurs, to ensure that you have the appropriate plan and insurance policy in place.”

Gier said that the impact of a BI or CBI loss on a business’ reputation depended largely on the cause of the loss, as well as the company’s response time.

“Companies can do a lot to minimize the risk of BI or CBI losses on their reputation by maintaining ultimate sources of supply, keeping extra inventory and having a thorough understanding of the financial impact of BI in protecting the most valuable parts of the business,” he said.

Working in Partnership

Reeves said that risk managers need to explain to senior managers how their BI and CBI policies work and to identify key areas that need to be written into the coverage based on previous claims experience.

“The C-suite needs to make sure that those resources are available and the risk manager needs to make sure that everyone has realistic expectations about the time frame for the claims process.” — Jill Dalton, managing director, Aon Global Risk Consulting

He added that it was also important to help them understand the interdependencies between the different parts of their business in the supply chain.

Jill Dalton, managing director, Aon Global Risk Consulting

Jill Dalton, managing director, Aon Global Risk Consulting

“We had a client with a very small site in the south that got hit by a tornado,” he said.

Initially they thought it wouldn’t have much of a financial impact, but they soon realized that it was the only plant that produced a small component used in all of their products.

“They dodged a real bullet, because fortunately they were able to get alternative sourcing, otherwise they would have been facing a $1 billion loss,” Reeves said.

Jill Dalton, managing director of Aon Global Risk Consulting, said that C-suites and risk managers need to work in unison.

“The C-suite needs to make sure that those resources are available and the risk manager needs to make sure that everyone has realistic expectations about the time frame for the claims process,” she said.

Carlos Moran, director of claims at Aon Global Risk Consulting, added that businesses need to develop a contingency plan in order to maintain critical operations in the event of a loss.


“Risk managers have a very difficult job,” FM Global’s Backes said. “Sometimes it’s very difficult for them at times to get the attention and buy-in from the C-suite.

“But when they can do that successfully, they can build out greater resiliency and redundancy into the company’s practices and procedures.” &

Alex Wright is a U.K.-based business journalist, who previously was deputy business editor at The Royal Gazette in Bermuda. You can reach him at [email protected]

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R&I: What was your first job?

My first job was at the age of 15 as a cashier at a bakery. My first professional job was at Amtrak in the finance department. I worked there while I was in college.

R&I: How did you come to work in risk management?

A position opened up in risk management at Wawa and I saw it as an opportunity to broaden my skills and have the ability to work across many departments at Wawa to better learn about the business.

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The advancements in analytics are a success for the industry and offer opportunities for the future. I also find value in the industry focus on emerging and specialty risks. There is more alignment with experts in different industries related to emerging and specialty risks to provide support and services to the insurance industry. As a result, the insurance industry can now look at risk mitigation more holistically and not just related to traditional risk transfer.

R&I: What could the risk management community be doing a better job of?

Developing the talent to grow with the industry in specialization and analytics, but to also carry on the personal connections and relationship building that is a large part of this industry.

Nancy Wilson, director, quality assurance, risk management and safety, Wawa Inc.

R&I: What was the best location and year for the RIMS conference and why?

I have had successes at all of the RIMS events I have attended. It is a great opportunity to spend time with our broker, carriers and other colleagues.

R&I: What’s been the biggest change in the risk management and insurance industry since you’ve been in it?

I think the biggest challenge facing most companies today is related to brand or reputational risk. With the ever-changing landscape of technology, globalization and social media, the risk exposure to an organization’s brand or reputation continues to grow.

R&I: What emerging commercial risk most concerns you?


The changing consumer demands and new entrants into an industry are concerning. This is not necessarily something new but the frequency and speed to which it happens today does seem to be different. I think that is only going to continue. Companies need to be prepared to evolve with the times, and for me that means new risk exposures that we need to be prepared to mitigate.

R&I: Are you optimistic about the U.S. economy or pessimistic and why?

I try to be optimistic about most things. I think the economy ebbs and flows for many reasons and it is important to always keep an eye out for signs of change.

R&I: What have you accomplished that you are proudest of?

I am fortunate to have opportunities professionally that make me proud, but I have to answer this one personally. I have two children ages 12 and 9 and I am so proud of the people that they are today. They both are hardworking, fun and kind. Nothing gives me a better feeling than seeing them be successful. I look forward to more of that.

R&I: What is your favorite book or movie?

This is really hard as there are too many favorites. I do prefer books to movies, especially if there is a movie based on a book. I find the movie is never as good. I have multiple books going at once and usually bounce back and forth between fiction and non-fiction.

R&I: What’s the best restaurant you’ve ever eaten at?


I have eaten at a lot of different restaurants in many major cities but I would have to pick Horn O’ Plenty in Bedford, PA. It is a farm to table restaurant in the middle of the state. The food is always fresh and tastes amazing and they make me feel like I am at home when I am there. My family and I eat there often during our trips out that way.

R&I: What is your favorite drink?

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R&I: What is the most unusual/interesting place you have ever visited?

Vacations aside, I do get an opportunity to travel for work and visit our food suppliers. The opportunities I have had to visit back to the farm level have been a very interesting learning experience. If it wasn’t for my role, I would have never been able to experience that.

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My husband, kids and I recently did a boot-camp-type obstacle course up in the trees 24 feet in the air. Although I had a harness and helmet on, I really put my fear of heights to the test. At the end of the two hours, I did get the hang of it but am not sure I would do it again.

R&I: If the world has a modern hero, who is it and why?

The first people that come to mind are those who are serving our country and willing to sacrifice their own lives for our freedom.

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Every day is different and I have the opportunity to be involved in a lot of different work across the company.

R&I: What do your friends and family think you do?

My husband and children have a pretty good sense of what I do, but the rest of my family has no idea. They just know I work for Wawa and sometimes travel.

Katie Siegel is an associate editor at Risk & Insurance®. She can be reached at [email protected]